I think there is a misconception about the OLine. In the other thread we had a conversation about the "last 10 years", but that includes DMac's last season with Cotton as the OC when he was certainly on the hotseat and the transition to Chizik with McFarland happened right before the 2007 class was signed. Later, the 2009 class was a transition class to CPR with Herman, 2012 was signed with Mess at the helm and 2014 was signed after Mangino arrived...none of those people can solely be responsible for their first classes as they hadn't had any heavy influence over the OLine at that point.
What I did was take each athlete that was recruited out of HS to ISU that played OL for us and found their average pounds per inch of height. Not a perfect indicator of body type, but pretty good. I also included the athletes that were recruited as TE that moved to OLine.
By class:
2014 - 3.913 lbs/inch (Mangino[transition])
******2006 - 3.857 lbs/inch (Cotton)********sans Lamaak(TE)
2007 - 3.838 lbs/inch (McFarland[transition])
******2008 - 3.746 lbs/inch (McFarland)**********sans Bykowski(TE)
2006 - 3.734 lbs/inch (Cotton)
2015 - 3.686 lbs/inch (Mangino)
2012 - 3.643 lbs/inch (Messingham[transition])
2008 - 3.581 lbs/inch (McFarland)
2010 - 3.554 lbs/inch (Herman)
2013 - 3.312 lbs/inch (Messingham)
2011 - 3.297 lbs/inch (Herman)
2009 - 3.225 lbs/inch (Herman[transition])
Clearly, Herman had a philosophy of finding leaner bodies for the OLine. Messingham did better but didn't improve greatly...both were a far cry from recruiting the bulk that Cotton and McFarland liked and Mangino may even like more bulk than they did.
By athlete: Mangino recruits in italics and underlined / Herman and Mess recruits bolded.
2006 - 4.266 lbs/in, Vargas
2008 - 4.250 lbs/in, Haughton
2014 - 4.211 lbs/in, Windham
2014 - 4.103 lbs/in, Kodanko
2007 - 3.922 lbs/in, Carpenter
2012 - 3.921 lbs/in, Williams
2007 - 3.870 lbs/in, Osemele
2007 - 3.846 lbs/in, Klerekoper
2010 - 3.831 lbs/in, Dika
2015 - 3.803 lbs/in, Meeker
2008 - 3.750 lbs/in, Tuftee
2007 - 3.718 lbs/in, Baysinger
2011 - 3.666 lbs/in, Omoile
2010 - 3.636 lbs/in, Graham
2010 - 3.571 lbs/in, Loth
2015 - 3.571 lbs/in, Good-Jones
2012 - 3.553 lbs/in, Burton
2013 - 3.487 lbs/in, Glenn
2006 - 3.486 lbs/in, Lamaak *TE
2006 - 3.468 lbs/in, Hulbert
2010 - 3.466 lbs/in, Farniok
2012 - 3.462 lbs/in, Dunning
2014 - 3.429 lbs/in, Anderson
2013 - 3.377 lbs/in, Homa
2009 - 3.311 lbs/in, Moore
2013 - 3.289 lbs/in, Severs
2010 - 3.269 lbs/in, Gannon
2008 - 3.247 lbs/in, Burris
2013 - 3.247 lbs/in, Curtis
2013 - 3.165 lbs/in, Campos
2009 - 3.141 lbs/in, Lichtenburg
2010 - 3.141 lbs/in, Lalk
2008 - 3.101 lbs/in, Bykowski *TE
2011 - 3.101 lbs/in, Dagel
Now if you include the JUCO kids from the last two seasons: Mangino's bolded
2014 - 4.610 lbs/in, Taiese(JC)
2006 - 4.266 lbs/in, Vargas
2008 - 4.250 lbs/in, Haughton
2014 - 4.211 lbs/in, Windham
2014 - 4.103 lbs/in, Kodanko
2015 - 3.933 lbs/in, Scoggins(JC)
2007 - 3.922 lbs/in, Carpenter
2012 - 3.921 lbs/in, Williams
2015 - 3.910 lbs/in, Philbert(JC)
2007 - 3.870 lbs/in, Osemele
2007 - 3.846 lbs/in, Klerekoper
2010 - 3.831 lbs/in, Dika
2015 - 3.803 lbs/in, Meeker
2008 - 3.750 lbs/in, Tuftee
2007 - 3.718 lbs/in, Baysinger
2011 - 3.666 lbs/in, Omoile
2010 - 3.636 lbs/in, Graham
2010 - 3.571 lbs/in, Loth
2015 - 3.571 lbs/in, Good-Jones
2012 - 3.553 lbs/in, Burton
2013 - 3.487 lbs/in, Glenn
2006 - 3.486 lbs/in, Lamaak *TE
2006 - 3.468 lbs/in, Hulbert
2010 - 3.466 lbs/in, Farniok
2012 - 3.462 lbs/in, Dunning
2014 - 3.429 lbs/in, Anderson
2013 - 3.377 lbs/in, Homa
2009 - 3.311 lbs/in, Moore
2013 - 3.289 lbs/in, Severs
2010 - 3.269 lbs/in, Gannon
2008 - 3.247 lbs/in, Burris
2013 - 3.247 lbs/in, Curtis
2013 - 3.165 lbs/in, Campos
2009 - 3.141 lbs/in, Lichtenburg
2010 - 3.141 lbs/in, Lalk
2008 - 3.101 lbs/in, Bykowski *TE
2011 - 3.101 lbs/in, Dagel
The differences may be slight, but on the aggregate there appears to clearly be a difference in body composition...at least weight to height ratios.
What I did was take each athlete that was recruited out of HS to ISU that played OL for us and found their average pounds per inch of height. Not a perfect indicator of body type, but pretty good. I also included the athletes that were recruited as TE that moved to OLine.
By class:
2014 - 3.913 lbs/inch (Mangino[transition])
******2006 - 3.857 lbs/inch (Cotton)********sans Lamaak(TE)
2007 - 3.838 lbs/inch (McFarland[transition])
******2008 - 3.746 lbs/inch (McFarland)**********sans Bykowski(TE)
2006 - 3.734 lbs/inch (Cotton)
2015 - 3.686 lbs/inch (Mangino)
2012 - 3.643 lbs/inch (Messingham[transition])
2008 - 3.581 lbs/inch (McFarland)
2010 - 3.554 lbs/inch (Herman)
2013 - 3.312 lbs/inch (Messingham)
2011 - 3.297 lbs/inch (Herman)
2009 - 3.225 lbs/inch (Herman[transition])
Clearly, Herman had a philosophy of finding leaner bodies for the OLine. Messingham did better but didn't improve greatly...both were a far cry from recruiting the bulk that Cotton and McFarland liked and Mangino may even like more bulk than they did.
By athlete: Mangino recruits in italics and underlined / Herman and Mess recruits bolded.
2006 - 4.266 lbs/in, Vargas
2008 - 4.250 lbs/in, Haughton
2014 - 4.211 lbs/in, Windham
2014 - 4.103 lbs/in, Kodanko
2007 - 3.922 lbs/in, Carpenter
2012 - 3.921 lbs/in, Williams
2007 - 3.870 lbs/in, Osemele
2007 - 3.846 lbs/in, Klerekoper
2010 - 3.831 lbs/in, Dika
2015 - 3.803 lbs/in, Meeker
2008 - 3.750 lbs/in, Tuftee
2007 - 3.718 lbs/in, Baysinger
2011 - 3.666 lbs/in, Omoile
2010 - 3.636 lbs/in, Graham
2010 - 3.571 lbs/in, Loth
2015 - 3.571 lbs/in, Good-Jones
2012 - 3.553 lbs/in, Burton
2013 - 3.487 lbs/in, Glenn
2006 - 3.486 lbs/in, Lamaak *TE
2006 - 3.468 lbs/in, Hulbert
2010 - 3.466 lbs/in, Farniok
2012 - 3.462 lbs/in, Dunning
2014 - 3.429 lbs/in, Anderson
2013 - 3.377 lbs/in, Homa
2009 - 3.311 lbs/in, Moore
2013 - 3.289 lbs/in, Severs
2010 - 3.269 lbs/in, Gannon
2008 - 3.247 lbs/in, Burris
2013 - 3.247 lbs/in, Curtis
2013 - 3.165 lbs/in, Campos
2009 - 3.141 lbs/in, Lichtenburg
2010 - 3.141 lbs/in, Lalk
2008 - 3.101 lbs/in, Bykowski *TE
2011 - 3.101 lbs/in, Dagel
Now if you include the JUCO kids from the last two seasons: Mangino's bolded
2014 - 4.610 lbs/in, Taiese(JC)
2006 - 4.266 lbs/in, Vargas
2008 - 4.250 lbs/in, Haughton
2014 - 4.211 lbs/in, Windham
2014 - 4.103 lbs/in, Kodanko
2015 - 3.933 lbs/in, Scoggins(JC)
2007 - 3.922 lbs/in, Carpenter
2012 - 3.921 lbs/in, Williams
2015 - 3.910 lbs/in, Philbert(JC)
2007 - 3.870 lbs/in, Osemele
2007 - 3.846 lbs/in, Klerekoper
2010 - 3.831 lbs/in, Dika
2015 - 3.803 lbs/in, Meeker
2008 - 3.750 lbs/in, Tuftee
2007 - 3.718 lbs/in, Baysinger
2011 - 3.666 lbs/in, Omoile
2010 - 3.636 lbs/in, Graham
2010 - 3.571 lbs/in, Loth
2015 - 3.571 lbs/in, Good-Jones
2012 - 3.553 lbs/in, Burton
2013 - 3.487 lbs/in, Glenn
2006 - 3.486 lbs/in, Lamaak *TE
2006 - 3.468 lbs/in, Hulbert
2010 - 3.466 lbs/in, Farniok
2012 - 3.462 lbs/in, Dunning
2014 - 3.429 lbs/in, Anderson
2013 - 3.377 lbs/in, Homa
2009 - 3.311 lbs/in, Moore
2013 - 3.289 lbs/in, Severs
2010 - 3.269 lbs/in, Gannon
2008 - 3.247 lbs/in, Burris
2013 - 3.247 lbs/in, Curtis
2013 - 3.165 lbs/in, Campos
2009 - 3.141 lbs/in, Lichtenburg
2010 - 3.141 lbs/in, Lalk
2008 - 3.101 lbs/in, Bykowski *TE
2011 - 3.101 lbs/in, Dagel
The differences may be slight, but on the aggregate there appears to clearly be a difference in body composition...at least weight to height ratios.
